The Design, Automation, and Test in Europe (DATE) Conference and Exhibition is an annual event, scheduled in 2020 to be held March 9–13, 2020, at the Alpexpo Congress Centre in Grenoble. I’m so paranoid about forgetting to renew the couple of domain names I care about that I’ve authorized my provider to bill my credit card automatically when they’re due to renew. Trying to spend all day converting one to the other will drive you bonkers. To me, it sounds like you’re saying that this September is one of the 11ths or the 11th instance of a September (or 9 generations after September, Jr.). National standard format is yyyy-mm-dd (with leading zeroes) and (yy)yy, Examples: Long date: 7. juni 1994. In the early 19th century, those countries occupied by or allied to Napoleon – the Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain – adopted right-hand traffic. Okay, WordPress screwed me again. Big OOps in Canada….. The doctor recently asked me how much I weighed. Just be forward thinking by writing the date the correct way in the first place! For my checks, I write, as an example, 10 April 2012. Your comment about the ‘”9/11″ precedent’ intrigued me because it left me wondering whether you were aware of the significance of 911 in the U.S. (It’s the nationally recognized number to dial in an emergency. I now write the month in English to avoid confusion. Everything ends up in a computer eventually! What a wonderful way to exercise the brain! Unless you save the keystrokes in one place and then use them elsewhere, as I do. Left to right for computer sorting pure logic as greatest to least – so writing least to greatest makes perfect visual sense also. Change ). 911 in North America! “No, because it’s on the 7th of August. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. Dec, 18 2020 And never will. Respect des droits du travail conformes aux lois nationales des payset aux conventions de l’Organisation International du Travail (OIT). Over 1/2 of the US can’t tell if a Celsius temperature is hot or cold. “Are you going to Dave’s party on July the 8th?” Huh? As John Adams wrote “The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. When in Rome …do as the Romans do. so 25jun16. I told him in kilos “How much is that in old money?” he asked. My wife just went on a first aid course and was told it’s now 112…… Oracle Databases also default to 12-APR-2012, which is kinda interesting for an American country. One was done in Europe, and the other is from U.S. military people (who, unlike typical Americans, use Euro-style dates and 24-hour time). And oh yeah: where *did* we get our ridiculously complicated imperial measurement system? I finally made charts for the consultation rooms to show how big 3cm, 5cm, 7cm, 9cm so doctor would say you have a 2cm mole on your back that we need to take off today. If your “argument” is correct then why was it that before the French Revolution a number of provinces drove on the other side of the road? Member Associations ETTU Executive Board meeting on Saturday. Pingback: 24-Hour Clock | Not One-Off Britishisms. I once asked an English acquaintance and she told me she didn’t know — she only knew how much she weighed in stone. This video is unavailable. what about the system which uses Roman numerals for the month? Unless of course they’re ambidextrous and routinely commute with a .44 Magnum in the glove compartment? In the UK the emergency telephone number is 999 or so I thought. The American and European methods are both brain dead. What point are you trying to make, Rizzo? I see no reason why gunpowder treason That we aren’t I don’t take to be a sign of some failing on the part of one nation or another. (I’ll get my coat…), With respect to this whole “Fourth of July” thing, I visited a website (http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/scan.htm) just to reassure myself that the original Declaration of Independence indeed uses the *July 4th, 1776* format, which it does. European Ryder Cup qualification process to resume in the New Year. News European Tour announces expansive global 2021 schedule. Were they full of left-handed knights? ( Log Out /  There are no other meaningful arguments why one way is better than another except maybe “I’m used to it and I’m too lazy to change my crappy ways”. Interesting stuff about Napoleon and unification and I’m sure there was a time when some Canadian provinces drove on the left. And your argument doesn’t apply to the other examples. Bendrix: Sam’s point, I believe, is that it’s more logical to go from smallest to largest — or, I would add, from largest to smallest, as per ISO 8601 — than it is to go both backwards and forwards as does the conventional US date style, which if followed for clock times would render your example of “the 12th second of the third minute of the fifth hour” as 03:12:05. Choice of driving side is entirely arbitrary and a non sequitur. I still think cave-in of CTV to over the border format was NG. UEFA.com is the official site of UEFA, the Union of European Football Associations, and the governing body of football in Europe. If you wrote time like you want Americans to write the date, it would ss:mm:hh rather than the standard hh:mm:ss. Hey… I live in the US and I don’t understand why people don’t use the metric system. I know this is irrelevant but it felt really relevant. Sensible! This time zone is in use during standard time in: Europe, Africa.. This natural order (not the European one) is used in China and Japan. But entirely logical once you get used to it. Though possibly I’m a cult of one in thinking so. But the US date format is absolutely senseless (sorry guys, I love America but please go metric asap!). I have looked at the main UK dailies and they seem pretty evenly split on their usage (as they are, incidentally, on -ise/-ize: I always use -ize). bollocks… Fred Flintstone logic! I would have to think hard to know what those were was in archaic measures but then I was taught in metric from when I was in my early teens. I only use purely numerical formats when the reader is not North American. How can some NOOB contributors be so dumb? On the other hand, Germany also blessed the USA with the hamburger so why not? The month is written in Roman numerals while the day is in Arabic numerals: 14.  VI. 1789 is 14 June 1789.”. There is no usage in which this could mean the ninth of April, 2012. This is probably counterintuitive to many Westerners, yet no one has ever accused the English language of being intuitive or easy to follow. I made it easier to explain and pt to understand. An example of DD-MM-YYYY usage is the passport application form. I look back to my primary school teacher’s dictum (I am 75 yrs now- so no one can thumb their nose at my teacher) was dd/mm/yy. … January 1st; ask someone his birthday and he’ll say month-day-year. What is true is that, when written numerically, you must use day-month-year in British English. Here the organisation is closer to the US dating but with the year placed at the start, for example ‘2010/12/20’.”). They were all taught to date their school work dd/mm/yyyy. Europe - 10 days in Europe - We are trying to decide how to spend 10 days in Europe this summer. JOHN – but we live in a world now. See full time zone map Mainland China invariably writes 2016/01/06 since the past 60 years. The fraction form. Information interchange. 16/12/2020 Production in construction up by 0.5% in euro area and by 0.9% in EU. I’ll gladly proclaim my ignorance about Napoleon’s influence on which side of the road to drive. So why this disgusting date format?! In the United Kingdom and, in fact, most of the rest of the world, today’s date would be indicated 9 April 2012 or 9/4/12. Obvious: two horsemen approach on a road, equally suspicious of each other. More news. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Totally agree re Canada – . yep or longhand as 25 June, 2016, organized from smallest unit to largest unit. Article. There is an order: some days are a month, some months are a year. I’ve just been reading through the above for the first time. 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However 112 also works in the UK (though most Brits don’t know that), because it’s the standard EU-wide emergency number. I will grant you though that the American style is only 1/2 logical. Dates are critical info and it IS confusing when they’re illogical, and used on key documents that cross borders. WHAT has religion to do with dates?! Official forms generally tend towards DMY. Hence, I’m exteremely skeptical of everything I receive these days about our current president.). In June 2020, there were approximately … Making a habit of doing things the right way ALL the time means you will do it the right way when it counts. Coronavirus disease (COVID-19), which is caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), was first identified in December 2019 in Wuhan, China, and has since spread rapidly, evolving into a full-blown pandemic. Don’t even get me started on the illogic of writing writing a comma to between a whole number and a decimal (or a period/full stop between thousands). We could all be speaking Esperanto, too. Please explain, Historyfanatic! How do you write numbers? Central European Time (CET) is 1 hour ahead of Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like it will change anytime soon. As a native I can vouch for this. Bank downloads get frequently miscoded up to 12/12 (or rather 11 Dec and 12 Nov, since 12/12 always comes out right even when it’s in the wrong order). *USA => MM/DD/CCYY, parenthetically, the default if nothing is specified is *ISO, additionally, if the suffix “0” (*ZERO) is added, there are no delimiters, my favoured choice would be *ISO, although many here would prefer *EUR. Even though I live in the US the Euro & ISO formats are more logically organized. Across Europe… I NEVER write 04/05/15 for May 4th! The date marks the anniversary of the historic 'Schuman declaration'. Hi John – I’ve lived in London for nearly 10 years and would concur with your conclusions (except for the reference to the “Colonies” :)), most of which I noted myself in my own comment. Americans understand other Americans, Brits understand other Brits, Nerds and mathematicians understand other nerds and mathematicians. AND be sure that the commas are in if you wrote the month in letters failing which your knuckles will have an appointment with the teacher’s ruler. 4/9/12, on the other hand, could mean either date, according to whether one is using US or rest-of-the-world dates. We tend to think (as in most things) that we are doing it the “normal” way, but, Europe Blog notes, “The only countries that do not share the European date format in fact are the US, Philippines, Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia, Canada and Belize.”, (Interestingly, the blog goes on, the European Union and other international organizations do not use the European style but rather the “‘ISO 8601’ standard date format. The logic shifts (and logically so) depending on what is most relevant in terms of our daily work. Applying logic in encoding data nurtures critical intelligence. Just realised I read sword hand origin HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So today would be written as 2012.04.10. When asked for my DofB, I say 23rd of the 5th, ’64. Today, the Ryder Cup is golf’s pre-eminent event, biennially bringing together 12-member teams from the U.S. and Europe for glory and pride on a three-day worldwide stage. (dd/mm/yyyy) in French and (mm/dd/(yy)yy) in Ewe. The legal and cultural expectations for date and time representation vary between countries, and it is important to be aware of the forms of all-numeric calendar dates used in a particular country to know what date is intended.. )", "BS ISO 8601:2004 – Data elements and interchange formats. Also: the 12 April 2012 format is routinely used by American genealogists when they write; I know because my sister happens to be one. When is Christmas? As for driving on which side of the road, remember, please blame Napoleon! By the leftmost(first) character of course! Cast your … If you ask a Brit, the will tell you that the emergency number in the UK 999, and they’d be right. The Modern Language Association (MLA) format for academic writing in the humanities specifies that dates be given as day month year; today would be 20 September 2014. I’ve seen yyyyy-mm-dd used in in South Africa – the stamps in my passport were in that format. DAN EUROPE FOUNDATION. And please note (the scientific one above) a period or full stop is NOT a decimal point. White and Strunk in Elements of Style urge use of the non-comma format for composition. *DMY => DD.MM.YY The DART-Europe partners help to provide researchers with a single European Portal for the discovery of Electronic Theses and … patient would say how big is that and dr would point to the reference.

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